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Prop 8: Response to a Comment

This was a comment to my previous post PROP 8 from “Anonymous” that I’d like to specifically address as a post:

there’s actually nothing in the constitution that says church and state are separate. it just says that the government can’t recognize one/any official religion.

also, churches are tax exempt because they benefit society. the government has an interest in making sure they can use their money to benefit the poor and the needy and organize programs to help people.

there are many non-religious arguments for prop 8.

anyways, no matter what you believe you don’t want the church’s to have to pay taxes. This means they’ll be able to endorse candidates and be more involved in politics. also, it means less money to help people.

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SHAMERICA says:

Actually, your argument regarding the words contained in our 1st Amendment is a common misstatement made by those who cite it without comprehension of it’s intent.  And it doesn’t just say the government can’t recognize one/any official religion.  It certainly wasn’t taught to be that simple in the very basic high school civics course.

The legal intent was to build a wall between church and State, as further supported by Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists where he made this specific reference.  Recall Jefferson was a major influence of the U.S. Constitution, though he did not contribute to writing it.

There is also Everson vs Board of Education that carefully expresses those important clauses we all remember and learned about in civics:  Establishment and Free Exercise and also references the intent of those clauses to keep church and State separate.

I agree that religious organizations should remain tax exempt for the very reasons you indicate.  They are held to specific requirements and can lose tax exemption for actions such as:  attempting to influence passage of legislation or promoting ideas which contradict public policies (like desegregation, discrimination, etc).  Some religious organizations have arguably violated these or blurred interpretation of them with the recent Prop 8 campaigns.

Honestly, I have yet to hear any solid non-religious arguments for banning same-sex marriage.  It takes away opportunities from a specific group of people.  That in itself is discrimination.  If any citizen cannot have the same rights as the next citizen, that is discrimination.  

This is a hot topic.  Interracial marriage.  Suffrage.  Foreign born citizens owning land.  These are only a few historically hot topics that endured controversy and redefinition before they ended up as we know them today – nondiscriminatory equal rights.

Thank you for posting.

Shamerica

 

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Prop 8

You knew it was coming.  I wrote about same sex marriage because, well, I married the same sex. 

NFL has been grueling.  I could not watch the past 2 Sundays.  It had nothing to do with who was playing who.  I’m a football whore, I will watch almost any game.  Not only do I participate in the office pool (how very valley of me) but I also have a fantasy team.  I can’t take the barrage of Prop 8 ads.  Of course I say VOTE NO on it because there would be nothing more heartbreaking than having my marriage dissolved.  The thought of it makes me sad. 

Please, I beg, vote NO on Prop 8.  It has NO effect on teaching in schools, or anything else “public.”  In fact, it is projected to generate hundreds of thousands of dollars for our budget-lacking state.  Will it cost to reverse the 11,000 or so marriages already performed?  Yes.  But that’s not the issue.

Those opposed to it still struggle with the word “marriage” in a religious sense.  For one thing, the Constitution (of California and our great nation) is not faith based.  So religious groups who opposed this need to realize that there is no place for religion (any kind) in politics, and vice versa.  Ooh, that reminds me… how is it that religious organizations are tax exempt?  If church and state are supposedly separate, than what is tax exemption for?  Seems to me that should exempt them from spending any money on ads or mailers stating their political position, right?

Look, we cannot remove the word marriage from our vocabulary.  The right to marry, same sex or not, is law based, not religous based.  Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean I should not have the same right as a straight couple.  Hey, some don’t agree with abortion, but it’s legal.  Some don’t like wearing helmets when riding motorcycles, but it’s the law.  I could go on and on.  The point it, how those opposed to same sex marriage benefit or lose from gays marrying?  There is no loss, there is no benefit.  So leave it to the gays to decide for themselves.  Let them endure the ups and downs of a legal union.  Sure you think domestic partnership is the same thing, but it’s not.  Try going to a hospital to visit your partner and try explaining your way into the room with a legal partnership.  It’s not fair!

This equates to blacks voting, women voting, interracial marriage, and so on.  Equal rights is the issue.  These bullshit ads from Prop 8 supporters are so far from reality that they resort to leaning on “the children” to push their agenda.  That only tells me that these poor kids, should any of them be gay, will have to overcome their ingorant parents ideals.  Very sad.

So please, PLEASE, vote NO on PROP 8.  I don’t want to get divorced.  I don’t want problems when we have children.  I don’t want a battle if either one of us ever end up in the hospital.  I don’t want estate fights when one of us passes away. 

Thank you!

Los Feliz Lesbian